Khaleej time interview with Nadeem Naqvi, Managing Director, Karachi Stock Exchange
Q1: How do you see the macro economic situation over
the next two years?

A1: The macro economic outlook over the next two years
lacks visibility. There are myriad of factors impacting the
macro environment, some domestic and some external.
Probable outcomes can range from benign to poor depending
on which scenario plays out. A positive scenario could be
that international oil prices stabilize and global growth
moderates (due to weak demand in developed economies
driven by deleveraging of the private sector and growth
slowdown in emerging markets as central banks tighten
monetary policy). This will help curb inflationary pressures
in Pakistan and be positive for the trade account, as bulk of
Pakistan's exports are low value added. Alongside this, as
global agri-commodity prices stabilize domestic rural incomes
and agri-commodity exports would remain above historic
levels but incremental benefits would be diminishing relative
to FY11. Finally, if some headway is made in improving tax
collection and reducing subsidies, fiscal deficit might be
contained at 5.5 level in FY12. This would allow the central
bank to begin easing monetary policy by 1QCY 2012, enabling
private sector growth to pick up. We need to keep in mind
that a huge transfer of income has taken place to the rural
(and mostly undocumented) economy to the tune of Rs.1.0
Trillion over the last five years due to commodity price
increases. If this is sustained and some of it brought into the
tax-net, significant improvement in fiscal position is possible.
The external account is supported by strong inflow of inward
remittances by expatriate Pakistanis, in excess of US$10.0
billion per annum, which is helping to keep forex reserves
and the rupee stable.
A possibly weaker scenario would be if the domestic fiscal
deficit is not contained and the source of the power sector
liquidity crisis not tackled, government borrowing would
remain high leading to further deterioration in debt to GDP
ratio. Additionally, if there is significant reduction in foreign
funding inflows other than remittances, the stabilization in
the current account & improvement in reserves may not
remain sustainable - especially as large drain on forex reserves
will commence in FY12, due to repayments of IMF and other multilateral loans. Add to this increased political maneuvering as we move towards next elections and you have a macro
environment which is in flux over the next two years.
Q2: In the presence of high interest rates what incentives
do investors have to invest in the equity market?
A2: No doubt, high interest rates reduce the attractiveness
of equities as an asset class. There is a clear inverse relationship
between interest rates and equity valuations. However, one
should not look at equity investing from a short term
perspective. Anyone with an investment horizon of less than
twelve months is not really "investing". They are, in my view,
better categorized as "trading". There are significantly different
strategies when one is trading versus when one is investing
as the risk-return pay-offs of the two strategies are very
different. Ideally, in my opinion, "investing" means an
investment horizon of at least three years. In such a time
frame, company fundamentals become the key driver of
return for equity investments. For example, analysis of long
term equity returns in the U.S. indicate that around 47% of
total return is accounted for by earnings growth, 43% by
dividend yield and 10% by change in valuation (price-toearnings
ratio or P/E ratio). In the case of Pakistan also, it
has been shown that over a twenty years period the average
annualized return from the stock market has been over 18%,
much higher than fixed income return including National
Savings Schemes and also higher than inflation. So equities
as a reasonably liquid asset class, do provide superior real
(inflation adjusted) returns than many asset classes - even
gold - over longer time horizon. My message to investors is
that they should consider keeping 25% - 35% of their liquid,
long term saving in equities as a hedge against inflation. But
they need to focus on strong companies if investing directly
or go through fund managers who have good track record
of at least 3 years, if they are investing via mutual funds.
Q3: Volumes have shrunk to about one tenth from their
peak to about 60 million shares a day. Is this due to bad
policies of the government or Apex Regulator?
A3: While the economic (growth, inflation & interest rate) cycle plays a significant role in the attractiveness or otherwise
of equities as an investment asset class, government and
regulatory policies do have a major role in the growth and
development of the equity market of any country. I would
not characterize policies as good or bad but rather as
appropriate or inappropriate relative to the ground realities.
Further, we need to distinguish between government policies
and regulatory policies of the Apex Regulator, in this case,
the Securities and Exchange Commission of Pakistan (SECP).
Insofar as government economic policy is concerned, my
view is that it has failed to deliver in three key respects. First,
unwillingness to document and tax agriculture and its supply
chain (wholesale & retail service sectors) has shifted huge
liquidity into the undocumented sector at the cost of the
documented sector. As the undocumented sector traditionally
does not invest in the stock market, the shrinkage of the
documented sector has had negative impact on volumes &
liquidity of the stock market.
Secondly, high fiscal deficit and consequently high government
borrowing has crowded out the private sector and kept
inflation at elevated levels. At the same time, I believe the
central bank has kept monetary policy too tight because
significant part of inflation is cost push. Given that 50% plus
of Pakistan's economy is estimated to be undocumented, the
transmission mechanism of monetary policy is weak in terms
of curbing aggregate demand. By draining the documented
sector of liquidity the central bank has played its role in
adversely affecting the private sector capital market and
consequently capital formation and sustainable employment
generation. I do not agree with the central bank's position
that there is no demand for credit from the private sector. I
believe it is banks unwillingness to lend to the private sector
because it is so easy for them to invest in "risk-free"
government securities and earn extra ordinary interest spread.
Third, imposition of capital gains tax for the sake of imposition
without due deliberation of its effect on revenue generation
has negatively impacted stock market participation of retail
investors who tended to account for bulk of the daily volumes.
In India and Bangladesh, individual investors make up 60%
- 80% of daily traded volume, whereas in Pakistan this figure
has fallen below 40%. It is definitely not the case that market
participants do not want to pay tax. What they object to is
the cumbersome procedure introduced to calculate the tax
and the increased potential of harassment by tax officials
whose credibility and accountability is highly suspect. Market participants want a full final tax liability on a withholding
basis. The irony is that the government has allowed exactly
this facility to investors investing in government securities
and it appears unwilling to do so for investors who are
actually bearing the risk of investing in equities.
The negative revenue impact for the government of the new
tax regime can be gauged by the fact that volume based tax
(CVT) netted the government over Rs.4.5 billion from the
KSE in 2007, and this excludes tax from insurance companies
and banks operating in the stock market. In 2011, the figure
is estimated at less than Rs.500 million. A large percentage
of retail investors have chosen to stay away from the stock
market rather than become enmeshed in the hassle of
cumbersome computation process and more than that, come
on the radar screen of tax officials, whose real objectives are
seen as questionable in the first place.
As far as the SECP is concerned, its regulatory tightening in
the aftermath of the 2009 financial crisis is understandable.
However, here too I believe that the Apex Regulator - despite
good intentions - overreacted and imposed restrictions and
conditionalities that have effectively chocked the market and
have directly led to volume shrinkage. 25% cash margin in
deliverable futures market is one example - nowhere in the
world is this seen. Similarly, excluding individuals from
participating as financiers in the new margin trading system
(MTS) has not helped liquidity either. Thankfully, there appears
to be a realization in SECP that the regulatory pendulum has
swung too far towards restrictions. KSE is actively engaged
with them to bring a balance in regulations such that systemic
risk is contained, while investor opportunity set is expanded.
Restoring investors' confidence is the single most important
challenge for the KSE and its members and it is also my
priority in this assignment as the Managing Director. Several
measures have already been taken by the Exchange and the
SECP to protect investors including restrictions on usage of
investors' sub-accounts at the Central Depository Company
(CDC) by the brokers, tightening margin requirements,
automated pre-trade verification by the KSE and tighter
settlement procedures by the National Clearing Company
of Pakistan Ltd., (NCCPL). Put together, KSE, CDC and NCCPL
are now electronically closely connected, have enhanced
safeguard mechanisms for systemic risks and stronger security
measures for individual investors. There is never a fail-safe
system but I feel confident that close cooperation of these
three key institutions in the Capital Market means that the kind of episodes investors faced in 2008 are unlikely to be
repeated in the future.
Q4: What is the KSE doing to arrest the shrinking investor
base, especially in terms of investor education and
awareness generation?
A4: The shrinkage in investor base is partially driven by
macro-economic uncertainties that reduce appetite for risk
assets such as equities. At the same time, it is also a function
of general confidence in the stock market as a credible and
sound institution. The second aspect is related to reputation
and this was damaged in 2008 financial crisis due to
unnecessary floor artificially set in the market, first by the
Exchange and prolonged by the SECP and under Ministry of
Finance pressure, as the latter feared potential run on already
weak foreign exchange reserves. This short term attitude by
key constituencies led to long term damage in investor
confidence. On top of it, a few "bad apples" (6 or so brokers
who overextended themselves and then used investors'
shares to meet their proprietary liabilities) damaged the
reputation of the brokerage industry. Lessons have been
learnt from these events. In fact, beyond the above noted
safeguards now in place, work is being done on an electronic
settlement system where brokers would not have control
over investors' shares or indeed, investor funds. They will do
what they are supposed to do - focus on identifying potentially
good stocks in their research and brokering, period. As such,
I believe that it is only a matter of time that retail investors
will become comfortable with reentering the market. We
also plan to approach the Central Bank to help devise ways
whereby the large overseas Pakistani community can easily
invest & exit from the stock market without the present
cumbersome requirements of SCRA accounts. As an example,
India facilitated non-resident Indians' participation in their
stock market and this was a big boost. There is no reason
why the same cannot be done in Pakistan. There are a good
number of high quality companies in several sectors, such
as Oil & Gas, Banking, Consumer Non-Durables & Durables,
Chemicals that are growing earnings robustly and boasting
much superior return on equity than many regional peers.
This is a natural universe for Pakistanis resident in the GCC,
UK and North America to invest in.
On the part of the Exchange there are several initiatives in
the works for generating investor interest. We are working
on a project to provide, from the platform of the KSE, summary
historic research in English and Urdu on the blue chip
companies. This will help small brokers, who simply do not
have financial and human resource capacity, to have
fundamentals based marketing tools for retails investors.
After Ramadan, a series of Road Shows are planned in
conjunction with CDC and NCCPL and possibly with Lahore
and Islamabad Stock Exchanges, for smaller cities. We are
actively working on initiating OPTIONS products by the end
of the year with presentations planned for SECP within the
next few weeks. The regulations for Market Making have
been approved and KSE will soon be approaching financially
strong parties for market making in Cash Settled Index
Futures and selected large liquid stocks. The regulations for
launching Electronically Traded Funds (EFT's) are in final
stages of being approved by the SECP and should open a
new arena for investors. Most important, we are focusing on
early settlement of investor issues & claims that have remained
outstanding from the 2008 financial crisis. Out of the 7000
plus claims, 60% have been settled. We want to accelerate
the settlement of remaining claims.
The Exchange is considering initiatives in developing the
debt market. I do not see KSE as simply an equities market.
We have the IT platform and internal systems to support
listing and trading of a variety of financial instruments.
Recently, with support from the SECP, KSE's Bond Automated
Trading System (BATS) has been enhanced. It has been
developed in-house and is quite robust. Because the domestic
private sector debt market is still nascent and lacks liquidity,
we are exploring the possibility to tapping into the govt.
debt market, which is both deep and highly liquid. I am
confident that many of the above initiatives will be executed
over the next six to twelve months and help restore confidence
and vibrancy in Pakistan's Capital Market. On the international
front, several Road Shows are slated for key investment
centres around the world from September to November. We
have also been in discussions with MSCI to consider putting
Pakistan back into their Emerging Markets Index from the
present position in their Frontier Market Index.
Q5: New listings have been very few in recent years. High
interest rates would normally attract more companies to
the capital market to raise money - why is this not
happening in Pakistan?
A5: New listings have indeed been low in the past few years
having reached 17 in 2006, falling to 13 in FY10 and now
have fallen to just 3 in FY11. High interest rates are just one
of several factors that go into the decision making process of a company contemplating to list itself on a stock exchange.
In economic terms, we need to remember that debt-finance
actually provides a tax-shield to the debt issuing company
because the cost of debt (interest) is treated as an expense
in accounting terms, so income is reduced and therefore tax
is reduced. Companies look at after tax cost of debt and
compare that to the cost of equity, which is actually not zero
but linked to the so-called risk-free rate (on govt. securities)
and has an additional percentage (premium) to account for
equity market risk. Finally, a weighted average cost of capital
(debt+equity) i.e. WACC is arrived at which is compared to
the return on capital (ROC) generated by the company. At
the simplest level, a company will raise new capital only when
ROC is greater than WACC.
Besides the bit of "finance theory" highlighted above, there
are other factors determining new listings. If liquidity in the
stock market is low then companies may be reluctant to list
because price discovery (i.e. value) of their shares could be
inefficient, or they may be worried about cornering of their
company's stock. Then there is an issue of cultural mores.
Many family owned companies in the country shy away from
publicity and many are worried about regulation related to
listed companies which require greater transparency and
more stringent corporate governance. Here, I believe the
stock exchanges do need to create awareness amongst
potential "listable" companies that net-net, the benefits to
the family wealth by listing outweigh the perceived
costs/downside of transparency and governance. I believe
that the world has already entered a new era of corporate
governance and companies that are not transparent will find
themselves at increasing competitive disadvantage over time.
This is particularly the case for companies that are exporting
as their buyers will increasingly demand greater transparency.
Listing on stock exchanges provides such transparency and
gives buyers and financiers greater confidence when dealing
with listed companies. In my view, it is only a matter of time
that SECP regulations become more and more stringent for
corporate entities that are not listed. The recent budget has
given some tax incentives for companies established on an
ALL-EQUITY basis. For small to medium enterprises this may
be useful but for larger companies or those whose projects
are large, all equity finance may not be possible. The effect
on new listings is likely to be negligible under present rules
and regulation where minimum equity capital requirement
is Rs.500 million in order to list. We are however, studying
the possibility of reactivating the over-the-counter (OTC)
market which has less stringent listing requirements as well
as much lower capital requirements. This would enable
medium sized enterprizes to list. In the first instance, we plan
to identify specific high growth sectors and discuss the
potential of listing with companies in those sectors, with
emphasis on export oriented sectors. This exercise may take
a few months but I believe it will yield positive results and
result in new listings from the SME sector.
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